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5 Nov 03 Minutes of Committee Meeting

Present Wg Cdr A S Corbett
Flt Lt C Lemin
WO T Green
MAEOp G Vongyer
FS G Blair
FS K Allsop
Chf Tech A North
Sgt D Kiddell
Sgt M Holmes
Mr P Foster
Chf Tech M Dixon
Chairman
EAWL Chairman
WMAL Chairman
EMAL Chairman
WMAL Rep
CAL Chairman
Team Captain
PRO/NFA Rep/Dep Capt
Match Sec/PTC Rep
Hon Mem & Old Lag Rep
Secretary
Apologies Sqn Ldr N Barling
Flt Lt R Tomala
Chf Tech I Pears
Sgt I Craft
Sgt A Smith
Sgt G Welton
Sgt R Field
Cpl N Clarke
Cpl K Tuohy
Team Manager
Dep Team Manager/Proj Off
VOYL Chairman
Trophies Rep
SCAL Chairman
Sponsorship/Dep Treasurer
STC Rep
Dep Match Sec
Specimen Rep
Absent Chf Tech G Lavis  VOYL Rep
Item
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Discussion and Decisions
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Action
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1. Introduction.
1. The Chairman opened the meeting at 1700 hrs by welcoming all those present and thanking them for their attendance. He reminded everyone of the importance of the work carried out by the Committee, and underlined the need to have a good turn out for committee meetings. Where personnel were unable to attend they were to ensure that, where appropriate, a deputy attended who was in a position to make decisions on behalf of their League. He also reiterated the importance of carrying out the full terms of reference of their duties, particularly those of the League Chairmen.  
2. Minutes from Previous Meeting.
1. The Secretary apologised for the printing error that resulted in the last set of minutes being produced with 2 pages missing; this had been rectified.

2. The minutes were accepted as a true and accurate record of the meeting held in the Three Horseshoes on 02 Sep 03.

 
3. Matters Arising.
1. Although the item was closed at the last meeting, the RAF Championships Team 3rd Trophy was still awaiting return by Sgt Field.

2. The Charity Cheque was still to be presented.

3. The RAF Team Championships and European Military Championships had been fished; both had been a great success. (Matter Closed)

4. Decisions. It was decided that:

a. The Trophies Rep was to ensure the RAF Championships Team 3rd Trophy was returned as soon as possible.

b. The Chairman would inform the necessary personnel when the Charity Cheque was to be presented.









Trophies Rep

Chairman

4. Amended Constitution.
1. The Chairman gave an overview of the amended draft Constitution, stating that it was a combination of the present Constitution, recent amendments, newly issued NFA match rules and updated RAF Sports Board regulations. While aware that those Committee Members who had received the amended constitution through the post had only just received their copies, the Chairman thanked all those who had been able to review the document and input amendments. He confirmed that everyone was content, in principle, with the amended document, and stated that issue would probably be in the form of a CD once the required changes had been made.

2. Decision. It was decided that the chairman would make the necessary amendments and issue the Constitution on CD format. He would also issue TORs to all sub-committee members for signing in due course.

 

 

 

 

 

Chairman

5. Inter-Command and Command Inter-Unit Championships.

1. Dusty Kiddell presented a case for holding the Command Inter Unit Championships the day before the Inter Command Championships. This would produce a mini-festival, and release travel authority to be used for another match. He also felt that to alleviate a busy match calendar, these events could take place during the closed season, although this would restrict the choice of venue. There followed some discussion as to the choice of possible venues/dates etc. The Chairman asked that the Committee take a vote on the principle behind the proposal and, if passed discuss the venue choice under the next item. A vote was taken and the principle was carried unanimously.

Decision. It was decided that the Command Inter Unit Championships would be held the day before the Inter Command Championships.

 

 

All

6. Fixtures for 2004.
1. The Chairman opened this item by emphasising the importance of ensuring that any decisions on fixtures and their corresponding dates were considered fully. He did not want to be in the position, as had happened in the past, where the choice of venue was being reconsidered at every meeting.

2. Command Festival. As this event may require some personnel to be accommodated overnight, the choice of venue had to take this into account. The Committee was reminded that there were 3 centres of sporting excellence where accommodation should be readily available, namely: RAF Cosford, RAF Halton and RAF Cranwell. There are, however, other RAF units that can accommodate a limited number of personnel so venue choice should not be restricted to these locations. The Deputy Captain proposed Woodland Lakes near Thirsk as the venue for 2004. This was discussed widely, with accommodation being the main concern. Although accommodation at RAF Leeming may be limited, there are other military units in the area that could provide accommodation so this was not considered as a major concern. There were no counter proposals, and Woodland lakes were passed unanimously

3. RAF Inter-Unit Championships. There were 2 proposals for this event, the River Trent from the EMAL, and Woodland View from the Deputy Team Manager.

4. River Trent. The EMAL Chairman, who felt that a return to a ‘proper’ river was long overdue, presented the case. The river was now fishing well and, while everyone should catch, the best angler should win the match on the day. The pegging fee is £2.50 per peg. Walks were not long, and even in the case of flooded condition or clear water the EMAL Chairman was convinced that the venue would fish well, particularly if double pegged.

5. Woodland View. The Chairman presented the case with strong support from Ady North. With a huge head of fish, everyone should have a good days fishing. The facilities are excellent with a cafe and tackle shop on site. The venue is run in a professional manner with the owner being very helpful and would go out of his way to ensure that the event was a success. Pegging is £ 5.50 per peg.

6. Discussion. The two venues were discussed at length with ease of access, funding and the fact that the Command Inter-Units already being on a commercial fishery being the main issues. After a full airing of everyone’s views a vote was taken with the following outcome:

Venue Votes
River Trent 10
Woodland View 1

7. Inter-league. The Chairman stated how disappointed he was with the turnout for this year’s event as he felt that this should be one of the premier matches on the calendar. He urged League Chairmen to do their utmost to ensure full participation for next years event. There was one proposal for this event, Woodland Lakes, but as this had been chosen for the Command festival it was withdrawn. The views of the Committee were sought with the following proposals being made. Dusty Kiddell – Grand Union Canal at 3 Locks, Phil Foster – Staunton Harold and Ady North – Woodland View. Again there was much discussion, with the Grand Union being deleted at an early stage. A vote was taken on the 2 remaining venues with the following result.

Venue Votes
Staunton Harold 4
Woodland View 3

Staunton Harold is a reservoir holding large stocks of bream and silver fish, and would be predominantly a feeder venue. It was felt that this would encourage greater participation and a fairer venue for all. The match would be fished in Sept.

8. European Military Championships. Although the RAF had successfully hosted this years event, it was felt that the event had not developed as was originally envisaged when the RAF were first invited to participate. It was expected that the number of participants would have increased, but had, in fact, decreased. The cost to successfully compete had now become prohibitive compared to the benefits, and it was therefore reluctantly felt that the RAF should no longer take part in this event.
9. 5 Services. There was also a question mark over this event, however it was felt that work should be carried out to make this event more important in the match fishing calendar.

10. RAF V Old Lags. Due to the timing of this event, and the fact that the venue chosen had fished poorly for the past 3 seasons event, it was often difficult to get enough anglers to participate. The Chairman asked Phil Foster, the HM & OL representative if he would consider changing the venue to try to increase participation. Phil Foster agreed that Bargate had fished poorly for this years event, which was against the form of the proceeding weekend. He would look into other venues, but there were historic and traditional reasons why the event was fished where it was and he was reluctant to make any changes.

11. Decisions. It was decided that:

a. The Command Festival would be fished at Woodland Lakes, Thirsk on 10/11 May.

b. The RAF Inter-Unit Championships would be fished around Burton Joyce, River Trent on 08 Sep.

c. The RAF Inter-League would be fished at Staunton Harold on 22 Sep.

d. The RAF would withdraw from the European Military Championships.

e. The effort spent on the 5 Services would be increased.

f. The RAF v Old Lags would be fished on 27 Oct at a venue to be determined.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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Chairman

HM & OL Rep

7. Charity Donation

1. The Chairman asked for ideas as to which charity the RAFCAA(Coarse) should support this year. ‘Children in Need’ was proposed but it was felt that, while this is a worthwhile charity, the amount of money available would be better placed going to a smaller concern. Tony Green suggested The Moat Project; this is a charity near Cosford that helps people through angling. It was considered that not only would this be a worthwhile charity to become involved with, it would also be a way of putting something back into the sport.

2.1. Decision. It was decided that The Moat Project would be the charity for this year; Tony Green would obtain the details and inform the Chairman. The PRO would be informed of any presentations so that publicity, if appropriate, could be arranged.

 

 

 

 

WMAL Rep
Chairman
PRO

8. Committee Appointments.
1. The STC Rep has had to stand down due to other commitments, Cpl Steve Perham had agreed with his predecessor to take over in this post, and, as there were not other volunteers, this was accepted by the Committee. The Chairman thanked the outgoing STC Rep for the work he had done in the past.

Decision. It was decided that Cpl Steve Perham would take over as the STC Rep; the Secretary would amend the contact list as appropriate.

 

 

 

Secretary

9. Financial Update.
1. The Treasurer was unavailable to give a financial update. He had however spoken to the Chairman and, while more had been spent this year than originally envisaged, the accounts were in a healthy condition. There was a requirement to pay The OL/HM Rep £48 for administrative expenses that he had incurred this year, which the Treasurer was to arrange at the earliest opportunity. A written financial statement was also to be produced as an attachment to these minutes in order to inform the next round of STP submissions.

2. The fees for the Old Lags match and The Jeffries Cup were also due and were to be paid by the Treasurer at the earliest opportunity.


 

Team Manager

Team Manager

10. League Chairmen Update.
. The Chairman asked the League Chairmen to present an update on how their leagues were progressing.

a. CAL. A new Chairman had taken over recently and was still going through past paperwork to fully familiarise himself with his post, and had nothing to report.

b. EAWL. Again a new Chairman had just been appointed and had nothing to report.

c. EMAL. The League were to hold a meeting in a few weeks to vote on constitution amendments which had been carried out in light of the updated RAFCAA(Coarse) Constitution. The League had managed to get a representative to the final of the Angling Times Super League competition. Mr Phil Poster had finished third in this event, which had gained good publicity for the League.

d. SWAL. The Summer League had just been completed with good numbers of anglers attending matches.

e. WMAL. Sgt Steve Towler had resigned from the post of Chairman, this post being taken over by WO Tony Green who is keen to regenerate interest in angling in this area.

f. SCAL/VOYL. Neither of these leagues had representatives at the meeting.

2. The Chairman reiterated the importance of the League Chairmen posts to the future of Coarse Angling in the RAF, reminding them that the Committee relies on their input for suggestions of competition venues and proposing the better anglers as squad members. At future committee meetings he would expect a brief verbal round up from each league chairman regarding activities and issues within their own leagues. He also stated that should they require contributions for angling initiatives whether in the form of financial or moral support they were to contact him to determine in what way the RAFCAA could be of assistance.


 

 


League Chairmen

11. NFA Update.
1. Ian Jones was in the process of taking over this post from Dusty Kiddell. Ian was unavailable for the meeting, however Dusty informed the Committee of the following: Fees for NFA membership had to be paid between Jan and Mar, The Division 1 fees had to be paid before Apr and he had confirmation that the RAF could still fish in the Eastern Region Shield although a date had not been set for this event.

2. The Chairman asked that the NFA Rep to obtain information regarding which sections will be used for this years Division One National as soon as possible, to assist with preparation for the match. In addition, as soon as the membership and national entry forms were available, they were to be sent to the Team Manager for prompt payment.

 

NFA Rep

12. PRO Update.
1. The PRO Rep stated that he had managed to have articles placed in the RAF News, and the Angling Times. He reminded all League Chairmen that they should submit results to him to be passed on to the Angling Times; where numbers are viable they will place an entry in the match update section of the paper.

The PRO brought up the subject of a WEB site for the RAFCAA(Coarse). The Chairman agreed that he would make an approach to anyone considered suitable to develop such a site. The Chairman asked that all League Chairmen canvas their leagues to try to determine if an individual with the necessary skills is available.

League Chairmen

 

Chairman
League Chairmen

13. Sponsorship Update.
1. The Sponsorship Rep was unavailable due to illness, however the Chairman was able to give an update. While he was still far from happy with the service given by Tek-Neek as part of the Tek-Neek Trabucco deal, he stated that we would be staying with this company until another deal could be arranged. He also stated that he was starting a campaign to actively seek a new sponsorship deal. Info
14. Specimen Update
. There had been no submissions for acceptance.  
15. AOB
1. The Vice-Captain reported that the RAF had been successful in the Jefferies Cup this year, coming second in both the team event and having 2 anglers in the top 5. He asked what the future would be for this event, as he was unsure if it would remain an RAF event or, as most of the participants come from the EAWL, become a League event. He also asked to be reimbursed to the sum of £48 to cover this years event. The Chairman noted what he said, and will instruct the Team Manager to reimburse the costs; the future of the event will be looked into at a future meeting.

2. The Match Sec asked why a NONPAS run account, that he felt could be restrictive, had replaced the bank account. The Chairman reported that the reasons were due to the time it has taken in the past to hand over the account between personnel because of bank bureaucracy, but agreed that using NONPAS could result delays of bills and payment, and removed a degree of flexibility. However, the current Team Manager preferred this system, and it would be continued for the time being. It did mean that bills for pegging fees and venues would have to be raised in advance so that they could be paid on the day.

3. The OL/HM Rep reminded all League Chairmen about the system of Associate Members; where those ex service personnel who while wishing to remain active in the fishing undertaken by their respective Leagues were not eligible for HM & OL status. He was interested in the uptake of this facility, as he had not heard that any league had used it.

4. The Team Captain asked about the pegging fees that the STC anglers from the last Inter-Command Championships had had to pay; he felt that it was wrong to expect the anglers to pay this when they were representing their Command. The Chairman agreed that the representatives should not be expected to pay pegging fees. The STC Rep is to look into the situation and obtain reimbursement. If there are any problems with this the Chairman is to be contacted. On a similar note, the Chairman also wishes the STC Rep to chase up the Colours for those STC anglers entitled to them for presentation as soon as possible.

Team Manager
Chairman

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


STC Rep


STC Rep

16. Next meeting.
1. The next meeting would be held at the end of Feb, provisionally Wed 25 Feb, once the 2004 Squad had been selected and details of the Overseas Challenge had been finalised. Committee members are to inform the Sec of their availability ASAP. All


M S Dixon
Chf Tech
Secretary

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