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3 Jun 03
5 Nov 03
16 Mar 04
10 May 04
15 Sep 04
29 Nov 04
9 May 05
7 Sep 05
2 Oct 05
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| Present |
Wg Cdr A S Corbett
Flt Lt C Lemin
WO T Green
MAEOp G Vongyer
FS G Blair
FS K Allsop
Chf Tech A North
Sgt D Kiddell
Sgt M Holmes
Mr P Foster
Chf Tech M Dixon
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Chairman
EAWL Chairman
WMAL Chairman
EMAL Chairman
WMAL Rep
CAL Chairman
Team Captain
PRO/NFA Rep/Dep Capt
Match Sec/PTC Rep
Hon Mem & Old Lag Rep
Secretary
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| Apologies |
Sqn Ldr N Barling
Flt Lt R Tomala
Chf Tech I Pears
Sgt I Craft
Sgt A Smith
Sgt G Welton
Sgt R Field
Cpl N Clarke
Cpl K Tuohy
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Team Manager
Dep Team Manager/Proj Off
VOYL Chairman
Trophies Rep
SCAL Chairman
Sponsorship/Dep Treasurer
STC Rep
Dep Match Sec
Specimen Rep
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| Absent |
Chf Tech G Lavis |
VOYL Rep |
Item
(a)
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Discussion and Decisions
(b)
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Action
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1. Introduction. |
1. The Chairman opened the meeting at 1700 hrs by welcoming all
those present and thanking them for their attendance. He reminded
everyone of the importance of the work carried out by the Committee,
and underlined the need to have a good turn out for committee meetings.
Where personnel were unable to attend they were to ensure that, where
appropriate, a deputy attended who was in a position to make decisions
on behalf of their League. He also reiterated the importance of carrying
out the full terms of reference of their duties, particularly those
of the League Chairmen. |
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2. Minutes from Previous Meeting. |
1. The Secretary apologised for the printing error that resulted
in the last set of minutes being produced with 2 pages missing; this
had been rectified.
2. The minutes were accepted as a true and accurate record of
the meeting held in the Three Horseshoes on 02 Sep 03.
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3. Matters Arising. |
1. Although the item was closed at the last meeting, the RAF Championships
Team 3rd Trophy was still awaiting return by Sgt Field.
2. The Charity Cheque was still to be presented.
3. The RAF Team Championships and European Military Championships
had been fished; both had been a great success. (Matter Closed)
4. Decisions. It was decided that:
a. The Trophies Rep was to ensure the RAF Championships Team 3rd
Trophy was returned as soon as possible.
b. The Chairman would inform the necessary personnel when the
Charity Cheque was to be presented.
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Trophies Rep
Chairman
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4. Amended Constitution. |
1. The Chairman gave an overview of the amended draft Constitution,
stating that it was a combination of the present Constitution, recent
amendments, newly issued NFA match rules and updated RAF Sports Board
regulations. While aware that those Committee Members who had received
the amended constitution through the post had only just received
their copies, the Chairman thanked all those who had been able to
review the document and input amendments. He confirmed that everyone
was content, in principle, with the amended document, and stated
that issue would probably be in the form of a CD once the required
changes had been made.
2. Decision. It was decided that the chairman would make the necessary
amendments and issue the Constitution on CD format. He would also
issue TORs to all sub-committee members for signing in due course.
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Chairman |
5. Inter-Command and Command Inter-Unit Championships. |
1. Dusty Kiddell presented a case for holding the Command Inter
Unit Championships the day before the Inter Command Championships.
This would produce a mini-festival, and release travel authority
to be used for another match. He also felt that to alleviate a busy
match calendar, these events could take place during the closed season,
although this would restrict the choice of venue. There followed
some discussion as to the choice of possible venues/dates etc. The
Chairman asked that the Committee take a vote on the principle behind
the proposal and, if passed discuss the venue choice under the next
item. A vote was taken and the principle was carried unanimously.
Decision. It was decided that the Command Inter Unit Championships
would be held the day before the Inter Command Championships.
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6. Fixtures for 2004. |
1. The Chairman opened this item by emphasising the importance
of ensuring that any decisions on fixtures and their corresponding
dates were considered fully. He did not want to be in the position,
as had happened in the past, where the choice of venue was being
reconsidered at every meeting.
2. Command Festival. As this event may require some personnel
to be accommodated overnight, the choice of venue had to take this
into account. The Committee was reminded that there were 3 centres
of sporting excellence where accommodation should be readily available,
namely: RAF Cosford, RAF Halton and RAF Cranwell. There are, however,
other RAF units that can accommodate a limited number of personnel
so venue choice should not be restricted to these locations. The
Deputy Captain proposed Woodland Lakes near Thirsk as the venue
for 2004. This was discussed widely, with accommodation being the
main concern. Although accommodation at RAF Leeming may be limited,
there are other military units in the area that could provide accommodation
so this was not considered as a major concern. There were no counter
proposals, and Woodland lakes were passed unanimously
3. RAF Inter-Unit Championships. There were 2 proposals for this
event, the River Trent from the EMAL, and Woodland View from the
Deputy Team Manager.
4. River Trent. The EMAL Chairman, who felt that a return to
a ‘proper’ river
was long overdue, presented the case. The river was now fishing
well and, while everyone should catch, the best angler should win
the match on the day. The pegging fee is £2.50 per peg. Walks
were not long, and even in the case of flooded condition or clear
water the EMAL Chairman was convinced that the venue would fish
well, particularly if double pegged.
5. Woodland View. The Chairman
presented the case with strong support from Ady North. With a huge
head of fish, everyone should have
a good days fishing. The facilities are excellent with a cafe and
tackle shop on site. The venue is run in a professional manner
with the owner being very helpful and would go out of his way to
ensure that the event was a success. Pegging is £ 5.50 per
peg.
6. Discussion. The two venues were discussed at length with
ease of access, funding and the fact that the Command Inter-Units
already
being on a commercial fishery being the main issues. After a
full airing of everyone’s views a vote was taken with the
following outcome:
Venue Votes
River Trent 10
Woodland View 1
7. Inter-league. The Chairman stated how disappointed he was
with the turnout for this year’s event as he felt that this should
be one of the premier matches on the calendar. He urged League
Chairmen to do their utmost to ensure full participation for next
years event. There was one proposal for this event, Woodland Lakes,
but as this had been chosen for the Command festival it was withdrawn.
The views of the Committee were sought with the following proposals
being made. Dusty Kiddell – Grand Union Canal at 3 Locks,
Phil Foster – Staunton Harold and Ady North – Woodland
View. Again there was much discussion, with the Grand Union being
deleted at an early stage. A vote was taken on the 2 remaining
venues with the following result.
Venue Votes
Staunton Harold 4
Woodland View 3
Staunton Harold is a reservoir holding large stocks of bream and
silver fish, and would be predominantly a feeder venue. It was
felt that this would encourage greater participation and a fairer
venue for all. The match would be fished in Sept.
8. European Military Championships. Although the RAF had successfully
hosted this years event, it was felt that the event had not developed
as was originally envisaged when the RAF were first invited to
participate. It was expected that the number of participants would
have increased, but had, in fact, decreased. The cost to successfully
compete had now become prohibitive compared to the benefits, and
it was therefore reluctantly felt that the RAF should no longer
take part in this event.
9. 5 Services. There was also a question mark over this event,
however it was felt that work should be carried out to make this
event more important in the match fishing calendar.
10. RAF V Old Lags. Due to the timing of this event, and the
fact that the venue chosen had fished poorly for the past 3 seasons
event, it was often difficult to get enough anglers to participate.
The Chairman asked Phil Foster, the HM & OL representative
if he would consider changing the venue to try to increase participation.
Phil Foster agreed that Bargate had fished poorly for this years
event, which was against the form of the proceeding weekend.
He would look into other venues, but there were historic and
traditional
reasons why the event was fished where it was and he was reluctant
to make any changes.
11. Decisions. It was decided that:
a. The Command Festival would be fished at Woodland Lakes, Thirsk
on 10/11 May.
b. The RAF Inter-Unit Championships would be fished around Burton
Joyce, River Trent on 08 Sep.
c. The RAF Inter-League would be fished at Staunton Harold on
22 Sep.
d. The RAF would withdraw from the European Military Championships.
e. The effort spent on the 5 Services would be increased.
f. The RAF v Old Lags would be fished on 27 Oct at a venue to
be determined.
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All
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Info
Chairman
HM & OL Rep
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7. Charity Donation |
1. The Chairman asked for ideas as to which
charity the RAFCAA(Coarse) should support this year. ‘Children in Need’ was
proposed but it was felt that, while this is a worthwhile charity,
the amount
of money available would be better placed going to a smaller concern.
Tony Green suggested The Moat Project; this is a charity near Cosford
that helps people through angling. It was considered that not only
would this be a worthwhile charity to become involved with, it
would also be a way of putting something back into the sport.
2.1. Decision. It was decided that The Moat Project would be the
charity for this year; Tony Green would obtain the details and inform
the Chairman. The PRO would be informed of any presentations so that
publicity, if appropriate, could be arranged. |
WMAL Rep
Chairman
PRO
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8. Committee Appointments. |
1. The STC Rep has had to stand down due to other commitments,
Cpl Steve Perham had agreed with his predecessor to take over in
this post, and, as there were not other volunteers, this was accepted
by the Committee. The Chairman thanked the outgoing STC Rep for the
work he had done in the past.
Decision. It was decided that Cpl Steve Perham would take over
as the STC Rep; the Secretary would amend the contact list as appropriate.
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Secretary |
9. Financial Update. |
1. The Treasurer was unavailable to give a financial
update. He had however spoken to the Chairman and, while more had
been spent
this year than originally envisaged, the accounts were in a healthy
condition. There was a requirement to pay The OL/HM Rep £48
for administrative expenses that he had incurred this year, which
the Treasurer was to arrange at the earliest opportunity. A written
financial statement was also to be produced as an attachment to these
minutes in order to inform the next round of STP submissions.
2. The fees for the Old Lags match and The Jeffries Cup were also
due and were to be paid by the Treasurer at the earliest opportunity.
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Team Manager
Team Manager
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10. League Chairmen Update. |
. The Chairman asked the League Chairmen to present
an update on how their leagues were progressing.
a. CAL. A new Chairman had taken over recently
and was still going through past paperwork to fully familiarise
himself with his post,
and had nothing to report.
b. EAWL. Again a new Chairman had just been appointed and had
nothing to report.
c. EMAL. The League were to hold a meeting in a few weeks to vote
on constitution amendments which had been carried out in light
of the updated RAFCAA(Coarse) Constitution. The League had managed
to get a representative to the final of the Angling Times Super
League competition. Mr Phil Poster had finished third in this event,
which had gained good publicity for the League.
d. SWAL. The Summer League had just been completed with good numbers
of anglers attending matches.
e. WMAL. Sgt Steve Towler had resigned from the post of Chairman,
this post being taken over by WO Tony Green who is keen to regenerate
interest in angling in this area.
f. SCAL/VOYL. Neither of these leagues had representatives at
the meeting.
2. The Chairman reiterated the importance of
the League Chairmen posts to the future of Coarse Angling in
the RAF, reminding
them that the Committee relies on their input for suggestions
of competition
venues and proposing the better anglers as squad members.
At future committee meetings he would expect a brief
verbal round up from
each league chairman regarding activities and issues within
their own leagues. He also stated that should they require
contributions
for angling initiatives whether in the form of financial
or moral support they were to contact him to determine
in what way the RAFCAA
could be of assistance.
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League Chairmen
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11. NFA Update. |
1. Ian Jones was in the process of taking over this post from Dusty
Kiddell. Ian was unavailable for the meeting, however Dusty informed
the Committee of the following: Fees for NFA membership had to be
paid between Jan and Mar, The Division 1 fees had to be paid before
Apr and he had confirmation that the RAF could still fish in the
Eastern Region Shield although a date had not been set for this event.
2. The Chairman asked that the NFA Rep to obtain information regarding
which sections will be used for this years Division One National
as soon as possible, to assist with preparation for the match.
In addition, as soon as the membership and national entry forms
were available, they were to be sent to the Team Manager for prompt
payment.
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NFA Rep
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12. PRO Update. |
1. The PRO Rep stated that he had managed to have articles placed
in the RAF News, and the Angling Times. He reminded all League Chairmen
that they should submit results to him to be passed on to the Angling
Times; where numbers are viable they will place an entry in the match
update section of the paper.
The PRO brought up the subject of a WEB site for the RAFCAA(Coarse).
The Chairman agreed that he would make an approach to anyone considered
suitable to develop such a site. The Chairman asked that all League
Chairmen canvas their leagues to try to determine if an individual
with the necessary skills is available.
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League Chairmen
Chairman
League Chairmen
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13. Sponsorship Update. |
1. The Sponsorship Rep was unavailable due to illness, however
the Chairman was able to give an update. While he was still far from
happy with the service given by Tek-Neek as part of the Tek-Neek
Trabucco deal, he stated that we would be staying with this company
until another deal could be arranged. He also stated that he was
starting a campaign to actively seek a new sponsorship deal. |
Info |
14. Specimen Update |
. There had been no submissions for acceptance. |
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15. AOB |
1. The Vice-Captain reported that the RAF had been
successful in the Jefferies Cup this year, coming second in both
the team event
and having 2 anglers in the top 5. He asked what the future would
be for this event, as he was unsure if it would remain an RAF event
or, as most of the participants come from the EAWL, become a League
event. He also asked to be reimbursed to the sum of £48 to
cover this years event. The Chairman noted what he said, and will
instruct the Team Manager to reimburse the costs; the future of the
event will be looked into at a future meeting.
2. The Match Sec asked why a NONPAS run account, that he felt
could be restrictive, had replaced the bank account. The Chairman
reported that the reasons were due to the time it has taken in
the past to hand over the account between personnel because of
bank bureaucracy, but agreed that using NONPAS could result delays
of bills and payment, and removed a degree of flexibility. However,
the current Team Manager preferred this system, and it would be
continued for the time being. It did mean that bills for pegging
fees and venues would have to be raised in advance so that they
could be paid on the day.
3. The OL/HM Rep reminded all League Chairmen about the system
of Associate Members; where those ex service personnel who while
wishing to remain active in the fishing undertaken by their respective
Leagues were not eligible for HM & OL status. He was interested
in the uptake of this facility, as he had not heard that any
league had used it.
4. The Team Captain asked about the pegging fees that the STC
anglers from the last Inter-Command Championships had had to pay;
he felt
that it was wrong to expect the anglers to pay this when they were
representing their Command. The Chairman agreed that the representatives
should not be expected to pay pegging fees. The STC Rep is to look
into the situation and obtain reimbursement. If there are any problems
with this the Chairman is to be contacted. On a similar note, the
Chairman also wishes the STC Rep to chase up the Colours for those
STC anglers entitled to them for presentation as soon as possible.
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Team Manager
Chairman
STC Rep
STC Rep
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16. Next meeting. |
1. The next meeting would be held at the end of Feb, provisionally
Wed 25 Feb, once the 2004 Squad had been selected and details of
the Overseas Challenge had been finalised. Committee members are
to inform the Sec of their availability ASAP. |
All |
M S Dixon
Chf Tech
Secretary
Distribution:
External:
Action:
All RAFCAA Coarse Angling Sub-Committee Members
Information:
President RAFCAA
Chairman RAFCAA
Sec RAFCAA |
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