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10 Feb 06 Minutes of Committee Meeting

MINUTES OF THE RAFCAA (COARSE) MEETING HELD AT THE RED LION, BROUGHTON ON 10 FEB 06

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Present Gp Capt S Corbett
Wg Cdr A Johnstone
Flt Lt R Tomala
MAEOp G Vongyer
FS A Dyer
Chf Tech G Blair
Chf Tech Milligan
Sgt S Pointer
Sgt G Welton
Sgt D Kiddell
Sgt J Summerson
Mr P Foster
FS M Dixon
Chairman
Team Captain
Team Manager
EMAL Chairman
STC Rep
WMAL Dep Chairman
Match Sec
EAWL Rep
Sponsorship/Dep Treasurer
Dep Team Manager
Trophies Rep
Hon Mem & Old Lag Rep
Secretary
Apologies WO I Jones
WO T Green
Chf Tech G Lavis
Sgt S Hutter
Sgt G Atkinson
Cpl B Jackson
Cpl B Woodcock
NFA Rep
WMAL Chairman
VOYL Chairman
SWAL Chairman
SWAL Dep Chairman
PRO
PTC Rep
Absent Chf Tech J Hordel
Chf Tech M Smith
Sgt A Smith
Cpl P Smylie
Cpl Sutton
Cpl Collins
CAL Chairman
Dep Match Sec
SCAL Chairman
SCAL Dep Chairman
Deputy Team Captain
Specimen Rep
     
Item
(a)
Discussion and Decisions
(b)
Action
(c)
1. Introduction.
1. The Chairman opened the meeting by welcoming all those present and thanking them for their attendance. He stressed the importance of the work undertaken by the Committee on behalf of the RAFCAA and stated that he would appreciate it if more Committee members could make an effort to attend meetings in the future. Of particular concern was the number of people absent who had not even passed on their apologies. All
2. Minutes from Previous Meeting. 1. The minutes of the meeting held on 02 Oct at RAF Halton were accepted as a true and accurate record.  
3. Matters Arising.

1. Clubman Competition. The Clubman Competition would again be tied in to the RAFCAA AGM, this would then allow for travel authority for those personnel attending the AGM. The Chairman stressed however that, in order to use the travel authority, competitors must attend the AGM. Dates and location of the AGM have yet to be confirmed.

2. Trophies. There was a requirement to standardise the list of perpetual and keepsake trophies for all RAFCAA (Coarse) competitions since there had been considerable variation in the quality and number of trophies awarded over recent years. This would allow easier financial planning in the future.

3. Decisions. The trophy allocation was agreed as follows:

a. All future keepsake trophies would comprise engaved crystal; the format would be decided according to the funding available from entry fees to matches.

b. Trophies would be allocated as follows:

(i) RAF Championships. First 5 individuals, 1st and 2nd in each section and team 1st, 2nd and 3rd, Old Lag individual 1st and Old Lag team 1st.

(ii). RAF Challenge. 6 tumblers for the wining team.

(iii). Inter Command. No glassware.

(iv). Inter League. 1st, 2nd and 3rd individual and team 1st.

(v). PTC/STC Championships. 1st, 2nd and 3rd individual and team 1st and 2nd.

c. Inter Services. This was to be discussed by the Team Manager with the other services.

d. It was decided to retain glassware as opposed to medals, and all funding for engraving would be covered by the RAFCAA(Coarse).

e. The above information is to be collated in a table and added, as an annex, to the Admin Directive.

All other matters would be dealt with as agenda items.

 

Trophies Rep
Match Sec


Team Manager


Organising league, Match Sec

Cmd Reps

Team Manager

4. Team Managers Update 1. The Team Manager gave a comprehensive update of the 05/06 season as follows:

a. Squad. The Squad for the 2006 campaign had been selected, however due to personnel remaining in the RAF who had been expected to leave there would now be a total of 23 squad members for this year only.

b. Matches. The RAF Team won the annual RAF v Old Lags match, and was second in both the 5 Services and Eastern Region (ER) Shield. The ER result was particularly impressive as it involved the crème of Eastern England’s match anglers.

c. Overseas Challenge. There had been problems with the Overseas Challenge, costs continue to rise and the Navy team had withdrawn at late notice as they could not field a team. To make the event viable, another team consisting of 5 RAF personnel and 1 individual who has recently left the RAF had been formed; retaining the total of 7 teams. There was some discussion as to the future of this event, with suggestions of either a smaller event, 3 RAF teams as a norm and a differing location. It was felt however that this event in its current format was ideal as a team-building event and therefore should remain in place. Some discussion also took place regarding potentially moving the event to UK or Ireland. Due to the current security situation, Ireland was not currently a viable option although this would be reviewed on an annual basis. Moving the venue to UK would probably prove more expensive than its current form and would not offer the variety of angling currently enjoyed.

2. Decision. It was decided that the Overseas Challenge would stay in its current form, but with 3 RAF teams invited in the future. This would be reviewed on an annual basis, as would the composition of other invited teams, and the venues chosen.

 
5. Web Site 1. The Web Site was now being more fully populated and becoming a useful place for information about the matches and results for most of the leagues. All League Chairmen were reminded to keep updating this information and the Chairman asked that all leagues provide an introduction to their Leagues for the site. This would include a list of Stations and contacts, the types of venues fished and the average turnout for the season. The Chairman specifically requested that the CAL send some information to the webmaster as soon as possible as this was the only league not to have placed anything on the web.

2. New guidance had been received from the RAF Sports Board regarding RAF Sports web-sites. All Sports web-sites posted on the www, were to be mirrored to be placed on the official RAF site. Since the subscription for the RAFCAA (Coarse) website had just been renewed it was decided that:

a. The www website would be maintained and regularly updated.

b. The Chairman would contact the webmaster and provide details of the guidance, after which the site would need to be replicated on the RAF Sports Board site.


 

All

Chairman
Webmaster

6. Fixtures for 2006. 1. There was much debate regarding the fixtures for 2006:

2. RAF Championships. The venue for the 2006 RAF Championships had to be decided. The 5 nominations were as follows:

a. Boston Drains (East Midlands)

b. Woodland view (W Midlands)

c. Kennet and Avon Canal (South West)

d. Heronbrook Fishery (Midlands)

e. Browning Cudmore (W Midlands).

During the discussions it was decided that Heronbrook Fishery would not be a suitable venue for 150 anglers and was not included in the vote. After much discussion a vote took place with the following results:

Venue - Votes
Boston Drains - 4
Woodland View - 1
Kennet and Avon - 6
Browning Cudmore - 1

Therefore the RAF Championships would take place on the Kennet and Avon Canal on 06 Sep 06.

3. Command Inter Unit and Inter Command Festival. Larford Lakes was the only venue nominated for this event. There was some discussion as to how the event should be fished i.e. whether the Inter Command should take place before the Command Inter Units, to ensure the Inter-Units were fair for each team. It was decided that the event would retain the same format as in previous years, with the Command Inter Unit taking place first, however the allocation of pegs on each of the 2 venues would ensure that anglers from each Command would have the opportunity to fish the lake selected for the Inter-Commands. The event would be held on 16-17 May 06

4. Inter league. There was only one nomination for this event, the Ancholme. This is best fished as late in the year as possible and after much discussion it was decided that the best time to hold this match would be 29 Nov 06.

5. All league Chairmen are reminded that if they wanted a venue to be chosen for a particular match they must formally nominate it using the template in the Admin Directive. This was especially important for the Inter league match where effort was being made to ensure that the event is held in differing areas of the country.


 

 

 

All
Match Sec
Chair SWAL

 

All
Cmd Reps

League Chairmen


League Chairmen

7. Carp Championships 1. The new Specimen Rep (See Item 8) had proposed the formation of an RAF Carp Championship. Although the Specimen Rep was unable to attend the meeting, he had done considerable research and his proposal was discussed at length. It was felt that the Committee should be supporting this type of initiative, and was agreed that a 48 hour Carp Championship would take place during the period 19 - 21 Sep 06 at Oxlease lake in the Oxford area.


Specimen Rep

8. Committee Appointments 1. There were some changes to the Committee, Wg Cdr Johnstone has taken over as Team Captain from Sgt Bell, Cpl John Glascoe (RAF Waddington) was to take over as Specimen Rep from Cpl Collins who was OOA. Cpl Collins would be asked to take over as deputy Specimen Rep on his return from an ‘Out Of Area’ detachment. FS Blair was to take over as WMAL Chairman from WO Tony Green who was shortly to be leaving the Service. All appointments were ratified by the Committee.

2. It was noted that the EAWL has not nominated a replacement for the post of Chairman after Flt Lt Lemin had left. The EAWL Rep reported that they were in the process of nominating a suitable individual and once a decision had been taken he would report to the Chairman.

 

EAWL Rep

9. Financial Update. 1. The STP was not due yet, but would be ready for the next meeting; there were 2 items that needed to be considered by the Committee.

2. As mentioned in Item 4.4, the RAF would be sending a third team to the Overseas Challenge. It was not possible to get Sports Lottery funding for this team who would therefore be paying the full cost for all travel etc. The Treasures asked if he could issue £50 per team member from the contingency fund to assist with travel costs. This was accepted unanimously by the Committee.

3. To ensure the success of the Carp Championships, and to assist in the running of other specimen events that were in the pipeline, it was asked that the Committee allow spending of up to £500. This was accepted unanimously.


Team Manager

10. League Chairmen Update. 1. There were no updates from League Chairmen.

2. The Chairman thanked all League Chairmen for the work they did in ensuring the sport continued to be viable. He stated that as units were closing it may be necessary to look at the viability of some of the leagues with a view to making changes, however there was little point in proposing changes to the league structures until final decisions had been made over which Units would close. He asked all League Chairmen to keep him informed of any problems they encountered due to units closing and if necessary he would look at making changes earlier.

 
11. NFA Update. 1. The NFA Rep was unavailable to give an update; he had however briefed the Team Manager on the work he had been carrying out.

The NFA continues with its requirement to have all anglers fishing the National Championships as individual members. Last year there was an agreement that the RAF could buy 12 individual memberships and name the anglers on the day. This caused some confusion on the day and resulted in the team almost being disqualified. To ensure that this does not happen in the future, all squad members would be given individual NFA membership to ensure that they could represent the RAF at any NFA run event.

Team Manager

12. PRO Update. The PRO was unavailable to give an update, however individual RAF anglers had been named in both the Angling Times and Anglers Mail. There had been some good ‘write ups’ about the RAF Teams successes at various events in the National Angling Press (primarily Match Fishing Magazine). League Chairmen were once again encouraged to submit their league results into the Angling Times on a regular basis. League Chairmen
13. Sponsorship Update. 1. The usual debate was held regarding the ongoing sponsorship with Tek-neek Trabucco. Although the tackle they provided was generally very good, availability of many items continued to be extremely problematic. The Chairman had been in contact with the European Zebco-Browning representative, who had expressed a genuine interest in sponsoring the team. However, the company would insist that the great majority of tackle used by RAF anglers would have to be provided by Browning and, despite a healthy discount and some free equipment, it was considered that it would be prohibitively expensive for RAF squad anglers to re-equip themselves with Browning gear. It was therefore decided to remain with the current sponsorship deal until a better option was identified.

As well as the deal with Tek-neek Trabucco, there may be a possibility to obtain a deal with a groundbait company; this would be investigated by various members of the Committee who would then report back to the Chairman.

Chairman

14. Specimen Update. The Specimen Rep was unavailable to give an update, although the Chairman had been informed of progress. Once the Specimen Rep is in post there is a requirement to ensure that the record fish list is prepared for ratification at the next meeting.

Specimen Rep

15. Old Lags Update 1. November saw another 3 anglers become Old Lags, bringing the totals to 24 active Honorary Members and 48 Old Lags. These numbers make viable matches possible.

2. Woody Woods from the EMAL was put forward for Old Lag Status, this was accepted unanimously. The EMAL Chairman was to pass details to the HM/OL Rep so that a letter can be sent to Mr Woods.

The Team Manager asked if the Old Lags would like to enter a team into the 5 Services. The HM/OL Rep took up this offer.

 


EMAL Chair


HM/OL Rep

16. AOB 1. The Chairman asked for ideas as to which charity should be the recipient of the money raised at last years RAF Championships. After discussion it was decided that the money would go to the British Disabled Anglers Association, the PRO was to arrange a date for cheque presentation with suitable publicity.

2. The Chairman wished to express his thanks to WO Tony Green who had stood down as WMAL Chairman as he was shortly to leave the service. Tony had carried out sterling work for the Committee for many years, and his input has always been greatly received.

The EMAL Chairman asked it the decision taken with regard to teams entered into the Inter League could be revisited. He believed that the reduction to 8 anglers disadvantaged some of his members who were good anglers but would not get in the team. He believed that allowing those leagues that had the members should be able to enter 2 teams on the proviso that the second team was barred from winning the competition. He felt that by doing this those anglers that were good but had not broken into the RAF Squad could be looked at by Squad Members. Others felt that this would devalue the event and both the Team Manager and Team Captain did not feel they required this format to find out who should be in the Squad. A vote was taken with the decision to keep the format as voted on at the last meeting.

 

PRO

17. Next Meeting. 1. The next meeting would take place during the Command inter Unit and Inter Command Festival, full details to follow later. All Committee Members


File Copy Signed

M S Dixon
FS
Secretary

Distribution:

All RAFCAA Coarse Angling Sub-Committee Members

Copy to:

President RAFCAA
Chairman RAFCAA
Sec RAFCAA


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